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Casino Automatic Card Shuffler for Poker Games(2 Deck, 4 Deck, 6 Deck). Fat Cat Poker/Casino Game Table Accessory: Automatic Playing Card Shuffler, Holds 1-4 Decks. We've adjusted the inside mechanism so it would pick up the cards like it is supposed to, still no luck. It seems like it has a short in it somewhere, at times it seems to.

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I asked about the shufflers when I first got here, and was told the following:
The PGP shuffler does a manual random shuffle inside, not a sort based on RNG values. There is an optical scanner on the lip of the shuffler that reads the cards as they're pushed into the packets the dealer hands to the players.
Those shufflers are capable of sorting the cards. It takes a key turning the shuffler from 'play' mode to 'sort' mode to do it. The key is usually not in the machine; it's held by the pit elsewhere, but that would be up to the casino.
The number generator is on a separate RNG that reports back to the shuffler so it can correlate the hands it read to the player position. This is both to verify house way if necessary, and to verify bonus hands have their correct content.
Source was Roger Snow and Dan Lubin (mostly Dan). Too tired to go find the threads but look for PaiGowDan comments on shufflers and PaiGowPoker if you want a longer/more detailed discussion.

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• While learning a system like the Aces and Fives Count isn't for everyone, it can turn the table on the casinos and give the player a slight advantage over the house. That's the great thing about blackjack. Unfortunately, Continuous shufflers put a real squeeze on card counting.

Thanks for the info BBB! And the others who provided additional facts.
I somehow feel better that the shuffle itself is still physically randomized.

auto shufflers in blackjack hurt card counters

Auto-shufflers, or CSMs?

auto shufflers in blackjack hurt card counters but the cards can't be rigged like they can in paigow just cause of human hit or stand factors. paigow it knows where each hand goes and can deal the dealer the best hand at will.

In that case, why do the gambling commissions in the various states allow such machines? That ain't 'gambling' (or even the euphemistic 'gaming') any more.

auto shufflers in blackjack hurt card counters but the cards can't be rigged like they can in paigow just cause of human hit or stand factors. paigow it knows where each hand goes and can deal the dealer the best hand at will.

I thought the determination of where the packet of cards go was determined an external-to-the-shuffler roll of the dice.

I thought the determination of where the packet of cards go was determined an external-to-the-shuffler roll of the dice.

That is the older way. The new way is an LED number that is probably done via a RNG. I have not seen a die used in a couple of years.
The problem with doing that is now there is the ability to coordinate the placement of the hands. I don't think it is being done, but it certainly would be easy to do.
If they would just go back to using the dice, there would be much less suspicion.
I got so tired of seeing the dealer never bust in BJ that I swore off any game that was not hand shuffled. But the last time I played on a hand shuffled game, once again I witnessed the dealer go into a never bust mode. The only time the dealer would bust would be if a player made a move against BS. Then the dealer would occasionally bust. I know the last two sentences are a bunch of crap, but that was just the way it felt. But it did point out to me that it is not just games with shufflers where the dealer can get into no bust mode.

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I like the screen showing what the dealer's hand should be so that there is no questioning how the dealer set it. The starting position is shown before the packets are dealt out, so I don't think the house can use this to predetermine which seat gets which packet (since the cards haven't been scanned yet.)

For me, it is none of the casino's business what my hand is before I have to show it. I'm also skeptical when I fold and the dealer turns over the cards in my hand, supposedly trying to help. That's as much BS as when you color up and they want to see all your chips, not just the reds and, maybe, the greens.

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I like the screen showing what the dealer's hand should be so that there is no questioning how the dealer set it. The starting position is shown before the packets are dealt out, so I don't think the house can use this to predetermine which seat gets which packet (since the cards haven't been scanned yet.)

For me, it is none of the casino's business what my hand is before I have to show it. I'm also skeptical when I fold and the dealer turns over the cards in my hand, supposedly trying to help. That's as much BS as when you color up and they want to see all your chips, not just the reds and, maybe, the greens.
Coloring up, and what do you show, and what do they want to see, and you squirreled some purples into your pocket. There's an idea for a thread, me thinks. Like that? I got the squirrels in there just for MSally.

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I've been away from this thread for a few days and it looks like it died, but I do have some information on a few of the items brought up so if in the future people read this thread there is more accurate information.

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I'm also skeptical when I fold and the dealer turns over the cards in my hand, supposedly trying to help. That's as much BS as when you color up and they want to see all your chips, not just the reds and, maybe, the greens.

It depends on the reason they are turning the cards over. At my casino we allow people to fold on wagers against the dealer, but never against a pay table. So if you fold your cards in Three Card Poker, but have played the Pair Plus we expose the cards and would pay the bet if it was a winner (mistakenly discarded). This happens when someone misses a straight most of the time, but sometimes a flush as well. Players rarely miss pairs and never trips. So I wouldn't call that BS when your folded cards are being exposed.

I asked about the shufflers when I first got here, and was told the following:
The PGP shuffler does a manual random shuffle inside, not a sort based on RNG values. There is an optical scanner on the lip of the shuffler that reads the cards as they're pushed into the packets the dealer hands to the players.
Those shufflers are capable of sorting the cards. It takes a key turning the shuffler from 'play' mode to 'sort' mode to do it. The key is usually not in the machine; it's held by the pit elsewhere, but that would be up to the casino.
The number generator is on a separate RNG that reports back to the shuffler so it can correlate the hands it read to the player position. This is both to verify house way if necessary, and to verify bonus hands have their correct content.
Source was Roger Snow and Dan Lubin (mostly Dan). Too tired to go find the threads but look for PaiGowDan comments on shufflers and PaiGowPoker if you want a longer/more detailed discussion.

This is actually how it is done, which comes word for word from the latest GLI report dated 06/03/15 for the I-Deal Plus, which is the same as the I-Deal shuffler except it has a screen facing the players for advertising and table limits to be displayed. If you can imagine a small ferris wheel inside the shuffler, with compartments instead of places to sit, you can picture what is described below.

At the beginning of each cycle, the Random Number Generator assigns each card a compartment number for making the hands and for the discards. The device then places the corresponding card into the assigned compartment, producing random sets of cards based on the number of cards per hand. When the dealer places the un-shuffled deck in to the input feeder and presses the green button the unloading process of each hand begins. The hands are randomly unloaded and the discard compartments are always unloaded last.
Using the card recognition functionality the cards are counted as they are shuffled in. The shuffle is aborted and the device will display any missing or extra cards detected.
Using the Sorting mode the device can sort a shuffled deck of cards back in precise order.

GLI certifies that the machine is random and I know for a fact there are no settings or adjustments that can be made to the machine to alter the randomness of the deal. The machine does not know what seats are being played or which pack of cards will be given to which seat or which pack of cards will be the dealers.
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